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Can those Dems ever stop lying??
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You're right...the righteous GOP have never lied or slept around on their spouses. Just ask Cindy McCain. Here's what she said on rumors of an affair between John McCain and lobbyist, Vicki Iseman: "More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character." Cindy McCain met and began dating John McCain when he was married. So, Cindy met John when he was cheating on his wife, but she knows he'd never cheat on his wife. Right. |
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Remind me what you said again bandit.....
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wow...how typical, the first words out of bandits mouth is not to address the problem but simply to point the finger in another direction...i kind of liked the saying the buck stops here......but for dems its like a hot potato to see how fast they can point, scream, and ignore the problems that are consuming their party! Don't worry bandit I am sure that you will come back and point out some problem in the GOP, instead of addressing the points that I am making about your party. In the whole article did you ever once hear me mention the GOP? If I wanted to hear about the GOP's problems I would have written about them, but didn't because that isn't the point. I am serious folks its like an disease, every time you criticize the democrats its like a automatic response....well look at the GOP....ok bandit we are looking, but that isn't what we are talking about stay on point... |
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Hypocracy
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What Bandit is trying to say is-why accuse the Dems of the same thing that the GOPers are guilty of. My question is-why hasn't it been it the press that when McCain's first wife became seriously ill, he dumped her. I'm sick and tired of the Republicans saying that they're so pure and family oriented. Bull cookies!! Everybody accuses the media of being so liberal. If they are so left-wing why haven't they reported on this? |
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good thing he didn't get very far...
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edwards is a dirt-bag. and so are a lot of other people too, on both sides of the aisle. but there's a special little dark place in my heart for him now, mainly due to the fact that his lies had the potential to bring down a party, if he'd won the nomination. did he think that that skeleton in his closet would never be found? JBR, at first glance, there's no false statements in your post, but it is indeed decidedly one-sided. if someone wrote the exact same post, but used GOP instances rather the Dem instances, i'd say the same thing to them. where i think you are mistaken though is in wondering aloud about what obama might be lying about, just because a member of his same party was just caught out. on that logic, anyone in montana could be suspected of wanting to bring a gun into the capitol, just because we come from the same state as that one guy. i'm seeing it now: 2 lines for visitors: "People from Montana" and "Everyone else". it's fun to be extremist on some points, but on this one there's nothing in the end. your story of kennedy & clinton is right on - although i really don't care why you call him bilbo - but the rest of it is a bit stretched to meet your editorial desires. to me the end result is: edwards is a dirt-bag. period. why try to paint every other democrat with the same brush? there's good apples and bad apples in every single group, and ignoring your own bad apples can be very bad for your health... |
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No spin zone.....
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The point that I was pointing out was problems that I saw in the Democratic party. Not the GOP. I know the GOP has problems, and maybe I will write on them, but the here and now we are talking about the Democrats. The fact is that they always try to justify their short coming by looking at republicans. It would be like me talking about how about bad Nazi Germany was, and having someone say "Oh, but look at communist russia....nazi germany wasn't bad..." see the humor? If we are talking about Democrats lets talk about them. Whether in defending or attacking, not all this other mumbo jumbo crap that they try to pull by bringing in the GOP.... Who said that Republicans are nice and family oriented? I surely would dispute that. Yeah thats nice but stay on topic...it is so hard for me to follow these peoples writings when they continually jump topic to topic. Finally it can't be helped but to paint them with the same brush. I didn't give them the labels they stuck them on themselves, chose to associate with the people they do. If I voted like a terrorist, hung out with terrorists, and called terrorists my friend wouldn't you think I was a terrorist even if I wasn't? So in the same breath to Obama who votes with the rotten apples, hangs out with the rotten apples, and calls the rotten apples his friends isn't just natural I assume he is a rotten apple??? |
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Good thing GOP doesn't lie...
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Yep...Edwards is a dog. So is Kennedy, Clinton, Gary Hart, Elliot Spitzer...so on and so on. So that means ALL Democrats lie. Wow. Typical GOP drivel right of the handbook, the pages on the right side of course! What is the tally of GOP vs Dems in terms of cheating, being arrested, molesting teenage boys, looking for sex in airport bathrooms, illegal drug use, bribery, etc? Lets ask Larry Craig Mark Foley Ted Stevens Tom Delay Rudy Guiliani Newt Gingrich etc, etc... Did they all tell the truth and the whole truth when confronted with an accusation? Doubtful. Check out this wikipedia page. Don't know how true it is, but stumbled on to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:User_At_Work/Pols_under_investigation |
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| oh yeah...obviously you didn't read any of the responses??? I just talked about if I am talking about the dems so should you...not the GOP, or the Libertarians, the green party but the democratic party....sorry buddy | ||
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nice reply, and i agree with you, that deflecting criticism by pointing at the faults of one's rival is a very weak tactic. but i disagree with you that it's natural to assume a person is bad because he voted the same way as someone you labelled as bad. voting the same on a topic doesn't necessarily mean that the two individuals placing those votes share the same reasons, or overall philosophy towards life & the world. you also present as fact that obama hangs out with rotten apples and calls rotten apples his friends. who are these apples? aside from the daily political sideshows, i think obama mainly rolls with his family. my point is ultimately that this argument is silly to have, since you seem to agree that McCain could probably have similar criticism leveled at him as well. the only result of this topic is an endless roll of griping, a la "yeah i agree they're all a bunch of crooks". but it does nothing for moving forward. this country has moved forward when individuals who disagree have gathered the strength to reach across the aisle and take challenging paths for the greater good. sometimes they've succeeded, and sometimes they've failed. but progress has NEVER been made by sitting around and pointing the finger at one guy and saying he's a rotten apple. so aside from bickering over whether dems are worse then repubs, and vice-versa, is there any light at the end of this tunnel? what would be positive movement, to you? what are the biggest areas where you think this country needs to change? |
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Here's the thing--I love that the American public gets all mad when politicians lie to them about what they do in their bedrooms. I mean seriously, if it came to light that GW was into S and M and he denied it--then someone came up with proof--would the American public be pissed at him? Why is it our business? Is it because we think politicians should be above everyone else? Who tells the truth when caught cheating? I found these statistics and thought they were enlightening: It's tough to get a handle on how many of us are having affairs, given the inherent secrecy. 22 percent of married men have strayed at least once during their married lives. 14 percent of married women have had affairs at least once during their married lives. Younger people are more likely candidates; in fact, younger women are as likely as younger men to be unfaithful. 70 percent of married women and 54 percent of married men did not know of their spouses' extramarital activity. 5 percent of married men and 3 percent of married women reported having sex with someone other than their spouse in the year1997. 22 percent of men and 14 percent of women admitted to having sexual relations outside their marriage sometime in their past. 90 percent of Americans believe adultery is morally wrong. ***50 percent of Americans say President Clinton's adultery makes his moral standard "about the same as the average married man,'' according to a Time-CNN poll. 61 percent of Americans thought adultery should not be a crime in the United states; 35 percent thought it should; 4 percent had no opinion. 17 percent of divorces in the United States are caused by infidelity. Source: Associated Press Up to 37% of men and 22% of women admit to having affairs. Researchers think the vast majority of the millions of people who visit chat rooms, have multiple "special friends”. Dr. Bob Lanier, askbob.com Recent studies reveal that 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship (Atwood & Schwartz, 2002 - Journal of Couple & Relationship Therapy) Only 46% of men believe that online affairs are adultery. DivorceMag 80% think it's Ok to talk with a stranger identified as the opposite sex. 75% thinks it's ok to visit an adult site. About 60 percent of men and 40 percent of women will have an affair at some point in some marriage "Monogamy Myth", Therapist Peggy Vaugn About 24 percent of men and 14 percent of women have had sex outside their marriages, according to a Dec. 21, 1998 report in USA Today on a national study by the University of California, San Francisco. Affairs affect one of every 2.7 couples, according to counselor Janis Abrahms Spring, author of After the Affair,as reported by the Washington Post on March 30, 1999. Ten percent of extramarital affairs last one day, 10 percent last more than one day but less than a month, 50 percent last more than a month but less than a year, but 40 percent last two or more years. Few extramarital affairs last more than four years. A lesser known fact is that those who divorce rarely marry the person with whom they are having the affair. For example, Dr. Jan Halper’s study of successful men (executives, entrepreneurs, professionals) found that very few men who have affairs divorce their wife and marry their lovers. Only 3 percent of the 4,100 successful men surveyed eventually married their lovers. Frank Pittman has found that the divorce rate among those who married their lovers was 75 percent. The reasons for the high divorce rate include: intervention of reality, guilt, expectations, a general distrust of marriage, and a distrust of the affairee. One-third of divorce litigation is caused by online affairs. This Is An Internet E-Mergency, The Fortino Group Approximately 70% of time on-line is spent in chat rooms or sending e-mail; of these interactions, the vast majority are romantic in nature. Dr. Michael Adamse, PhD., co-author of Affairs of the Net: The Cybershrinks' Guide to Online Relationships Because of the anonymity, affordability, and accessibility of Internet sexual resources, the computer can accelerate the transition from "at risk" to "addicted," as well as the progression of sex addiction in those with a history of prior sexual compulsivity. Cooper et al Survey 8-10 percent of Internet users become hooked on cybersex. Dr. Bob Lanier, askbob.com Spouses who get hooked on Internet porn are a growing complaint among spouses filing for divorce, according to a survey of 350 divorce attorneys. "If there's dissatisfaction in the existing relationship, the Internet is an easy way for people to scratch the itch," said lawyer J. Lindsey Short, Jr., president of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, which conducted the study. 57% of people have used the Internet to flirt. 38% of people have engaged in explicit online sexual conversation and 50% of people have made phone contact with someone they chatted with online. Evidence proves there is a high correlation between on-line infidelity and subsequent real-time sexual affairs. Evidence supports the existence of disinhibition, accelerated intimacy, and hyper-sexual online behavior that can easily lead to real-time infidelity 31% of people have had an online conversation that has led to real-time sex. It is estimated that 53% of all people will have one or more affairs during their lifetime. Look at the numbers from Playboy Magazine: -2 out of 3 women and 3 out of 4 men admit they have sexual thoughts about co-workers. -86% of men and 81% of women admit they routinely flirt with the opposite sex. -75% of men and 65% of women admit to having sex with people they work with. The fact is that human beings are NOT monogamous by nature. That means they cheat. Experts say that a gut instinct is the most powerful indicator of a cheating lover. Adultery statistics state that 85% of woman who feel their lover is cheating are correct. 50% of men who feel their lover is cheating are right. The first clue is seldom obvious. Typically, it's a "feeling" that something is different. Cheating spouse statistics confirm that 50 and 70 percent of married men (between 38 and 53 million men) have cheated or will cheat on their wives. One study found that 2/3 of the wives (26 to 36 million women) whose husbands were cheating had no idea their husbands were having an affair - largely because they failed to recognize the telltale signs. According to Annette Lawson, author of Adultery, published in 1989 by Basic Books. "The various researchers arrive at a general consensus…suggesting that above one-quarter to about one-half of married women have at least one lover after they are married in any given marriage. Married men probably still stray more often than married women—perhaps from 50 percent to 65 percent by the age of forty." According to Maggie Scarf, author of Intimate Partners, first published in 1987 by Random House, re-issued in 1996 by Ballentine. "Most experts do consider the 'educated guess' that at the present time some 50 to 65 percent of husbands and 45 to 55 percent of wives become extramaritally involved by the age of 40 to be a relatively sound and reasonable one." According to Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth, first published in 1989 by Newmarket Press (third edition published 2003). Conservative infidelity statistics estimate that “60 percent of men and 40 percent of women will have an extramarital affair. These figures are even more significant when we consider the total number of marriages involved, since it's unlikely that all the men and women having affairs happen to be married to each other. If even half of the women having affairs (or 20 percent) are married to men not included in the 60 percent having affairs, then at least one partner will have an affair in approximately 80 percent of all marriages. With this many marriages affected, it's unreasonable to think affairs are due only to the failures and shortcomings of individual husbands or wives." Note that the above adultry statistics of the prevalence of affairs were made more than a decade ago; so based on changes in society during the intervening years, the current percentage of the population who have had affairs is probably somewhat HIGHER. For instance, the continuing increase of women in the workplace and the increase of women having affairs on the Internet means that the numbers for women having affairs is probably similar to those for men—about 60%. |
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| ummm you obviously aren't married if you are i kind of feel bad for your spouse...You think cheating is ok because everyone else is doing it? You obviously weren't raised like I was that says you need to think for yourself because the world is a f--ked up place. So everyone is cheating this gives you the right to cheat? dang that got to be a rough life....I really don't care of 100% of the people cheated because it would only be 99.9% of them because I still wouldn't.....But have fun not holding your politicians to any kind of standard get back at me and tell me how that works out for you... | ||
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| I saw this bumper stick that said lets bring back sex in the oval office and $1.23 gas. I was like heck yea and since then I have been a Rudy Guiliani supporter since then. I just really dislike people who are like, I am such a great guy look at me!! I am John Edwards, I am the latest and greatest and moral piece of crap out there....no I like Rudy's tactics that are more like, hey I cheat on my wife, I am an a-s hole, oh yea i am also a great leader elect me. I am not running for your pastor so I am putting on the laundry out to dry! | |
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You know what happens when you ASSUME...
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I did not even say anything about agreeing with cheating--I was simply pointing out some facts. Jumping to conclusions is a weird way to approach a comment. FYI, married for 19 years and don't see why you would have any reason to feel sorry for my spouse but I guess your mind jumped to something there too. BTW, have never experienced cheating in my marriage but I, personally, do know from experience that marriage is one of the hardest things to be successful at and sometimes people make mistakes--I feel sorry for your spouse if you do not realize that. And, no, probably not raised like you because I do not make such big assumptions... Did not say I do not hold my politicians to a standard--I simply pointed out that what they do in their bedroom is none of my business. I do find it interesting that an alcoholic, ex-coke head is okay but a man who was unfaithful is not...guess we are pretty different there. |
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You see I do care about the people I put into office so if I ask them a question and they lie about it...that is a big problem to me....that is just my opinion you can have a totally different one...btw, I find it slightly less than dull that you don't jump to conclusions yet you already feel sorry for my wife. FYI it isn't any of your info, but if the person says they are a good nice person and you elect them on that set of principles it sucks to find out that they are really a lying cheating a hole. If they run on the fact that they are a lying cheating a hole and you elect them knowing who they are then no one would care. Bush's problems everyone knows about, he doesn't lie about having at one time done drugs drank so on and so fourth....sorry buddy can't say the same about the people listed above.... They were sorry after they got caught....or is it because they got caught?? |
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I always thought it was interesting that Jerry Falwell would endorse a man for President (Ronald Reagan) who he would not allow to be a deacon in his church. Reagan's divorce did not make him a better or worse president...personally, I think he was one of the greatest we've ever had. Americans seem to be very forgiving of past mistakes. Clinton's was not far enough past to be past. Gary Hart was carrying on during the campaign. Newt Gingrich while in office. John McCain's problem was directly related to serious adjustment difficulties that resulted from his time as a POW. This has been openly discussed by him and his ex-wife. That doesn't excuse infidelity, but it may help us understand it a little in his case. The problem with Edwards is that folks feel more sorry for his wife than they did for Hillary, and he lied about it while asking us to trust him with our votes. Here's a question, first raised by HRC campaign advisor Howard Wolfson (and maybe one reason some folks are so unforgiving): If he hadn't lied, and he had recognized this was going to "disqualify" him from the nomination, and he had dropped out when it first came up and gone about doing the right thing for his wife and family...wouldn't the majority of votes he received in the Iowa caucus have gone to HRC, and wouldn't that have made the difference in the remainder of the primaries and given HRC the nomination? In other words, didn't his cheating and lying about it cost HRC the presidency? And we say it's nobody's business what they do in their private lives. |
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to elect people based on their stands on issues and philosophies instead of party lines. I know too many people who'll vote a party line just because they want a Democrat or a Republican in office. It's time to stand up and vote for the person who best represents YOUR wants and philosophies and needs. If it's Obama then vote for the man, if it's McCain, vote for him. Then vote for Congressmen and women who'll reach across the aisle and get the job done as partners for the American people. |
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Who says so? It matters alot...
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Who says it's nobody's business what anyone does in their private lives? People gossip all the time & seem to love the juicy stories best, even right here in Bozeman. So it matters alot. Private life is a bellweather indicator of the character/ethics/morality of an individual. It's the best way to determine that. If people wouldn't be so greedy/corrupt/lying/cheating/stealing these stories wouldn't make it to the media. (There's just so much of it reported annually, we are over-whelmed by it.) But the truth will always be the truth. If people live righteous lives, then I'll be able to trust them. If people tell the truth, then I'll be able to believe in them. Politicians are known for deceptions used to get elected. They are hard to trust. Some will say anything to get elected including bashing each other by making sure the worst news about their opponent is exposed. |
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That was the mantra of the Clinton supporters during the "bimbo eruptions". If you're referring to my final sentence, you missed the sarcasm. As for "...making sure the worst news about their opponent is exposed.", if that news is dishonesty, then that needs to be exposed. Our choice seems to be between the "Straight Talk Express" and "A Change We Can Believe In." Is McCain telling it straight? If he's not, then I want to know. But when the bashing itself is a lie, e.g., saying McCain wants the Iraq war to last 100 years, how do you believe anything else the basher has to say? How do we know when he's not lying? How can we believe in Obama's change when the only change we have seen is his change in his position depending on his target audience? If McCain deliberately distorts Obama's position, that's one thing. It's entirely another when he points out inconsistancies in his oponent's stand on any particular matter. |
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| Actually, I've always been an admirer of Elizabeth Edwards. I thought she should have run for president. She is one smart cookie. I loved the time she put Ann Coulter in her place! Now, tragically, her career is over before it had any chance of starting. And yes, it makes me mad that John cheated on her, but like I said, the republicans do it too-they're just bigger liars. They use sinister means to shut up their "lovers," or they buy them off. | |
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the republican list of scandals
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know somewhere in some post there was the "both sides are bad/lets see a list" thing. So, here we go with the REPUBLICAN list. Two lists, there may be overlap. Sorry for the huge cut and paste, but hey it is a long list. Those on the right can get their list together and paste it too. Then those of us that want to argue one side is worse than the other can compare. ======================= * Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy. * Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet. * Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl. * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable. * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. * Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy. * Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business. * Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl. * Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls. * Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester. * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls. * Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet. * Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls. * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. * Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor. * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida. * Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered. * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child. * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. * Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial. * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s. * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s. * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail. * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos. * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. * Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge. * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page. * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter. * Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography. * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. * Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. * Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl. * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. * Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl. * Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child. * Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl. * Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters. * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. * Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. * Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession. * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. * Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison. * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter. * Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls. * Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. * Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer. * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women. * Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here. http://www.armchairsubversive.com/ includes links to sources for the above. ------------------------------------------ * Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. [1] * Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. [2] Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. [3] * Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [4] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[5]. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. [6][7] Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering [8]. * Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. [9] * Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. [10] * Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. [11] * Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. [12] * Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. [13] * John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations, corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department. [14] * Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair. [15] * Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. [16] * Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women. [17] * Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then left his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll with a salary of $97,500. [18] * John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran.[19] * Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. [20] * George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who later committed suicide. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999.[21][22] * John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.[23] * Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.[24] * Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). Admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. In 1995, Chenoweth had denied the affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed. [25] * Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.[26] * Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet.[27] * Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page. [28] On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[29] * Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.[30] * Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. [31][32][33] * Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. [34] * Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. [35] * Nicholas Elizondo, Director of the Young Republican Federation molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. [36] * Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest. [37][38] * John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. [39] * Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.[40] * Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot.[41] * Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. [42] * Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.[43] * Philip Giordano, Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office. [44][45] * Rudy Giuliani, had an adulterous affair.[46][47] * Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indeceny, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him. [48] * Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.[49] * Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. [50] * Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.[51] * Mark Harris, Republican city councilman who is described as a "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.[52] * John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. [53] * Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002. [54] * Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies.[55] Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child. [56][57] * Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules.[58][59] * Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.[60] * Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. [61] * Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "****". [62] * Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.[63] * Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.[64] * Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizaree sexual content, including beastiality and pedophillia. [65] * Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee[66], 30-pill a day drug addict. [67] * Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.) resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery. * Donald Lukens, Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13. [68] * Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner. Arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl. [69] * Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17. [70] * Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.” [71][72] * Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor [73]. * Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man. * Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer. * Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment. * Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. [74] * John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays. * Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute. [75][76] * John E. Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger." * Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos. * Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. [77] * George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of , which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society." * Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. [78][79] * Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.[80] * Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury." * Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated. * Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage, admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online. * Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28. * John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. [81] * Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. [82] With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz).[83] * Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. [84] * Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affar with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. [85] * Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. [86] * Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. [87][88] * Craig J. Spence, Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s. [89][90] * Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it … this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. … I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute. * David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. [91] * Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery. * Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest. * Strom Thurmond, republican senator and racist, raped and impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid. [92] * Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed [93], convicted in Virginia for soliticing sex from a 13-year-old-boy[94] and on four other counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. [95] * Jim Wesr, Spokane Mayor. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person” among teens be criminalized. boy.[96] * Keith Westmoreland, a state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). [97] Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. [98] [99] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ansell/List_of_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_State s includes links to sources for the above. |
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Back to reality. Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 21/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it. Although Palin, like McCain, talks about liberating ourselves from dependence on foreign oil, there is no evidence that being dependent on Alaskan oil would be any more pleasant to the pocketbook. Alaska is, in essence, an adjunct member of OPEC. It has four different taxes on oil, which produce more than 89% of the state's unrestricted revenue. On average, three-quarters of the value of a barrel of oil is taken by the state government before that oil is permitted to leave the state. Alaska residents each get a yearly check for about $2,000 from oil revenues, plus an additional $1,200 pushed through by Palin last year to take advantage of rising oil prices. Any sympathy the governor of Alaska expresses for folks in the lower 48 who are suffering from high gas prices or can't afford to heat their homes is strictly crocodile tears. As if it couldn't support itself, Alaska also ranks No. 1, year after year, in money it sucks in from Washington. In 2005 (the most recent figures), according to the Tax Foundation, Alaska ranked 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434) but first in federal spending received per resident ($13,950). Its ratio of federal spending received to federal taxes paid ranks third among the 50 states, and in the absolute amount it receives from Washington over and above the amount it sends to Washington, Alaska ranks No. 1. · Find this article at: · http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1839724,00.ht |
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