Bumper Sticker Story - Creeping Socialism

I'm in line at the car wash yesterday and the vehicle in from of me has a Montana Firefighter license plate and a bumper sticker that says "Socialism is not the Answer." I happen to know that the owner of the vehicle is a Bozeman firefighter. Here's the irony:  At some point, cities accross the nation decided that having competent, trained, full-time firefighters to protect residential and commercial structures was a vital community need. These cities asked all of their citizens to contribute a portion of their wages (taxes) into a collective pool for the purposes of hiring and training these firefighters. These cities purchased land with these collective, communal funds and built firehouses stocked with fire-fighting equipment. As incentives to remain on the job - and thus on the public dole - throughout their employable years, firefighters are offered pensions, paid for with funds collected from each member of the community's citizenry; so once a firefighter retires from his/her vital public role, the citizens of the community then fund these people in their dotage. Firefirighting services can only be described as a socialist scructure; there's absolutely no doubt about it. And this yahoo in front of me at the car wash is aghast, aghast I tell you, that we might be heading toward socialism; the same system that funds his occupation, will fund his retirement and allowed him to purchase the vehicle that holds that bumper sticker. What a joke.

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Interesting... bydanie0067 months ago (9 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
I agree that people have lost sight at what permits our society to function relatively smoothly in the first place. The anti-"socialism" mantra chanted today by many who don't actually think about what they're rallying against is quite baffling.

You think it's expensive running a public entity? I'm fairly certain it wouldn't be any cheaper having a private operation manage a civic task. You think FedEx will deliver a letter for $0.44? You think Blackwater plans to lower their fees for armed forces support any time soon?
RE: Interesting... byRightOn7 months ago (6 votes) (report abuse)
hahahaha you need to take the economics class and understand competition. EPIC FAIL
RE: Interesting... byLiberal Doses7 months ago (8 votes) (report abuse)
The centralized control of all critical aspects of a product chain in a market economy is what socialism is about. In effect there is no private industry. The model is an antiquated failure. If you liberals want a revolution, drop the now Grandma Hillary 60's shtick, and come up with something besides the old failed ideologies of Marxism, Communism, Socialism. That might actually lend some credence to self anointed intellectual superiority you claim to have.

Peace
RE: Interesting... bydanie0067 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse)
wrong again, RightOn.

Thanks for not letting me down.
Non-profit anyone? bycwrite7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
It's the misused/wasted public funds
and subsidies that make some
of us so upset. Private business
is much better at being
economical/frugal. Looking
at so-called non-profit
entities, one usually sees the
same kind of waste/misuse.
The paid staff will do almost
anything to protect their position
which is profitable only for themselves.
RE: Non-profit anyone? byRightof Left7 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse)
Private business
is much better at being
economical/frugal.

Yep, the last 14-18 months have shown that to be true........


Uh-huh.
Non-profit anyone? bycwrite7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
A few people are corrupt
in any organization. When
they are at the top making
the important decisions
it becomes highly visible.
Obama is a good example.
He spends like he has a
money pit.
All is clear byLiberal Doses7 months ago (7 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Rol,

Your apparent affinity for the current administrations drive into socialism provides clarification on your current station in life.

Peace
RE: All is clear byRightof Left7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
Rol,

"Your apparent affinity for the current administrations drive into socialism provides clarification on your current station in life."

Do tell? And what is my current station in life then?

Amaze me oh Great Karnak.
There's a difference. byEd.7 months ago (6 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
"Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

This is not the same as working for the gov. to provide a service for the people, e.g., firefighter, policeman, etc., and trying to draw an equivalency displays either a lack of understanding of what socialism is or a desperate attempt to justify gov. intervention in private business.
Life Safety bysweet lily7 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Bozeboy maybe you should become a fireman.

Right premise but your example is deplorable.
RE: Life Safety bydanie0067 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
"right premise but our example is deplorable."

WHAT!?! I think bozeboy hits the nail on the head - a comparison of apples and oranges.

Another typical response from sweet lily who can't manage to see the world beyond her nose.
RE: Life Safety bysweet lily7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
It's rant time Danie; Firemen are a socialist brotherhood until you need them and the example IS deplorable. And whats with the apples and orange? I have been thinking about getting a nose job, maybe I can get some stimulus money for a slight modification or a tattoo of a fruit basket.

I guess you could say all entitlements are socialistic because they are. The difference is the fireman put their life on the line for stupid people who fall asleep on their couch with a cigarette in their mouth while watching Fox News.

Bozeboy will be the first one whining when the response time to his burning domicile exceeds the 6 minute standard. Why can't bozeboy pick on the real socialists in our community like the city commission, the school board the mayor (communist) or the over the top corrupt city administration, lets not forget the greenies and the Mayors climate change proclamation. To pick on firemen is a joke, why not include the military too. The firefighters I know are pretty good American patriots, they volunteer for the community as well when others are on this blog making white noise.

Have you ever put your life on the line for anything? Or how about joining true patriots; have you and Bozeboy gone to a Tea Party March - I have and I look for more of them so I can go again and again. Mybe your eyesight is faltering - get your vision examined, look around and pick on the real socialists.

Peace
The conundrums of a myopic danie byLiberal Doses7 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Danie,

Of course your response is uniquely different each time. LOL!!!

Ed did us the favor of looking up a definition of socialism. This of course is a definition. The actual application is quite different. Again, failed ideologies with horrible consequences leading to the deaths of millions. I fear, due to the seething hatred those (intolerant, advocating tolerance) liberals display for those whose opinions differ, that the type of socialism we are headed for is more closely aligned with the socialist movement of NAZI Germany than anything else.

The progressive, liberal intolerant, advocating tolerance have developed the targets for their tolerant hatred. Chief among them, the Christians.

Your Fed Ex example is in a word, lame. Time is money. I may pay more for Fed Ex, but the time spent in line waiting for a government drone to buzz about like a slow housefly in winter, is a much greater cost as my time is costly.

Peace
Time is money byRightof Left7 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Your Fed Ex example is in a word, lame. Time is money. I may pay more for Fed Ex, but the time spent in line waiting for a government drone to buzz about like a slow housefly in winter, is a much greater cost as my time is costly.


From the film Volunteers:

Chung Mee: Opium is my business. The bridge mean more traffic. More traffic mean more money. More money mean more power.
Lawrence Bourne III: Yeah, well, before I commit any of that to memory, would there be anything in this for me?
Chung Mee: Speed is important in business. Time is money.
Lawrence Bourne III: You said opium was money.
Chung Mee: Money is Money.
Lawrence Bourne III: Well then, what is time again?

LD from now on I will picture you as Chung Mee.
RE: Time is money byalamator7 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
ROFLMAO..!!

Best laugh in a long time..!!
RE: Time is money byEd.7 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
Who's going to be Tom Tuttle from Tacoma?
Deplorable Premise byBozeBoy7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Is there an argument that fire fighting is NOT a "socialized service?"
RE: Deplorable Premise byEd.7 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse)
Working for the gov. to provide a service for the people is not a socialized service any more than serving in the military is. The same with the Parks Service and the groundskeepers at the White House.
RE: Deplorable Premise byRightof Left7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
Actually there is a huge difference between police and fire protection, and the Military as well and examples such as the Parks Service and the groundskeepers at the White House.

Police, fire and the Military are all shared costs for mutual protection that is needed while the Parks Service and the groundskeepers at the White House are niceties but hardly essential.

On that I agree that police, fire and Military protections are to a certain extent socialized organizations.
Lighten Up byBozeBoy7 months ago (7 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Easy, you den of vipers. I was not denegrating firefighters and I was not extolling the virtues of socialism. I have been a volunteer firefighter and capitalism has served me quite nicely, thank you. Not so sweet Lilly, Special Ed and Over-dosed, I was merely making an observation that there's a subtle irony that a person who is employed in a socialized service chose to adorn his vehicle with a bumper sticker decrying the threat of creepng socialism. Just like all those medicare recipients who want to "keep the government's hands off my health care." Further instructions: 1) Lighten up. 2) Take a deep breath. 3) Carry on. My job here is done.
RE: Lighten Up byLiberal Doses7 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse)
Bozeboy,

Oh, I get it. Kind of like a Liberal, global warming advocate putting a "Stop global warming" bumper sticker on his fossil fuel burning clap-trap of a car.

Peace
RE: Lighten Up byEd.7 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse)
For one who wants everyone else to lighten up, you sure do take criticism seriously, Bozo. Working for the gov. does not make you a socialist. The fact that a gov. hires people does not make it socialist. You're right, though, if you can't do any better than this, your job here is done.

Edit: It appears to me you've gotten in over your head and now you're trying to bail. You were the one who asked: "Is there an argument that fire fighting is NOT a "socialized service?" When you get an answer, you whine about "...merely making an observation...". You don't know what socialism is, but you insist that firefighting is it. I don't blame you for leaving the discussion. If you think your job here is done, socialism will probably fit you nicely.
RE: Lighten Up bydanie0067 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
Not everyone believes your statement in the first paragraph, ed. Remember, any form of government operation is evil in the eyes of some.
RE: Lighten Up byEd.7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
I will assume you are referring to the statement about socialism, danie. I agree that, for some, any form of gov. is evil. Maybe that's the problem here...I'm arguing the inarguable. I just don't see how we can say in broad generalities: "Oh, you work for the gov., you're a socialist."
Special Ed byBozeBoy7 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Special Ed: Sorry I don't have the time to devote to this website that you do; I am a conrtributing member of the cpatalistic society. Say, in order to function as the resident bridge troll of Bozeman Talks, you must be retired. You're not going to tell me that you're one of those Medicare-accepting, Social-Security check-cashing hypocrites, are you? Do you haev a govenment pension? That might explain your inability to equate certain goverment-provided jobs with socialized services.
RE: Special Ed byEd.7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
You seem to have me confused with the education curriculum to which you were assigned in school. It's good that we have a public education system that is equipped to handle those of you with special needs.

It's a shame you have so much time to try to denigrate those who might hold different views than you but none to answer the questions at hand...maybe that's the only way you know how to answer them, deflect and ignore.
RE: Special Ed bysweet lily7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
Bozeboy it is time for you to grow up and become a BozMan - typical socialist response to Ed you can't beat him so you accuse him of things you invent in your mind in order to justify your insecurity.

Man up and admit you made a mistake by posting your ideas.
RE: Special Ed byLiberal Doses7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
Boze,

Social security? They take and hold our money making interest much greater than the 2% interest we get from their program and you think that is great?

If you do then give me your money to hold for until you retire and I'll give you 3% deal?

Peace
RE: Special Ed byalamator7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
Or...we could have done like GWB wanted and invested it all in the stock market.

Where would be now with that wise move?? Hmm...??? Totally broke.

Last I read..the gubment is going to make some $16 billion on the bail out loans...so far. Pretty crappy investment Huh..??

I can hear it now....that Obama is such a capitalist...I mean...a socialist...I mean...a ...a....
a byBikeRyder7 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Ed=LOL
Special Ed - Special Needs byBozeBoy7 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Special Ed: We really need to focus your highly-tuned intellect into a more positive direction. Rather than spew hate-filled misinformation on a local website, may I suggest that you either: 1) volunteer at the Food Bank, 2) become a CAP mentor, 3) volunteer at the hospital, 4) visit shut-ins. Maybe then you can generate the life experiences and compassion necessary to offer a more well-rounded world view. Just a friendly suggestion. Go forth and do great things, my brother!!!
RE: Special Ed - Special Needs byEd.7 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse)
Still can't address the question, can you? It's OK, no one expects you to.
RE: Special Ed - Special Needs bysweet lily7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
Bozeboy, I bet you are a real cutuie, a stud muffin. You remind me of my grade school boyfriend. You have all the answers except to the questions you can't answer. Stud muffins get by on shallow thinking because they believe looks are everything. If you are cute and funny you don't need substance, so you conjure personal attacks to bolster your ego, just like I am doing here.

Like Ed I too would like you to address the question.
RE: Special Ed - Special Needs byLiberal Doses7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
Boze,

Ed is hardly hate-filled. Your indoctrinated response to shut down opposing ideas is pathetic.

Peace
RE: Special Ed - Special Needs byAlphaBeagle7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
You are the one with misinformation. People are made to pay into Social Security and Medicare. If you don't believe me, try getting off of it, if you can. One man is, in fact, trying to do just that and is getting nowhere. Besides, if you are PAYING for something, don't you have a RIGHT to get the services? Or should you just let your hard-earned money go - money you were forced to pay into the system?
A would be fire cracker. byLiberal Doses7 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Sweet lily,

If bozeboy was a stud, he would not be informing us about his problem with the bumper sticker. He would have said something face to face with the fire fighter!

No, there is no chance of him being a stud. A dud maybe. Spent fuse and no bang for your buck.

Peace