Jesus Guns

too far?

Happened upon this little pearl flipping through the channels the other night. The US Military contracts scopes for military use with "hidden" Bible references imprinted on them. At least two other countries use them as well. Do you think this violates the military's anti-proselytizing rules? Or is it like our currency having "In God We Trust" imprinted on it and not really a big deal?

Here is the article for you to read:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jesus-guns-countries-rethink-w

Of course it's not illegal but does it send the wrong message? After all, we are fighting wars in countries whose populations (for the most part) do not believe in Christianity. And not to mention not everyone in the military, or the US, believes in Christianity. Does this even matter?

Oh yes and of course, is this what Jesus would do?

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Poor digital manipulation bycwrite6 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Is nothing off limits
anymore.
This picture . . . byAlphaBeagle6 months ago (6 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
has nothing at all to do with Christianity, and is as perverted as that so-called work of art, "Piss Christ", wherein the cross is turned upside down in urine. Sick.
RE: This picture . . . bydanie0066 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse)
I think the photo is kind of funny and ironic. Regarding the scope thing, who cares? If you can get a bead at 300 yards and the Bible is helping, great. Fire away!
frauds byindependent6 months ago (6 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Nothing like a "christian" company being war profiteers. And it certainly helps validate the extremist muslim view that we are fighting a religious war against them. You know, a "Crusade" as our previous president so thoughtfully called it. I hope these fake christians are happy that they are bringing more terrorists to the battlefield with their stupidity, resulting in the deaths of more American soldiers. I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
Interesting...if this is even true... bySupport Local Law Enforcement6 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
I want one...I bet they will be great collector's items... LOL
Jesus Guns bynew yorker16 months ago (9 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Oh you sillies. He's pointing the gun at satan, don't you see? I love Montanans. I really miss you guys. Seriously though, who is going to be looking at a bunch of codes on a gun when they are in a war? They are going to be SHOOTING the gun. I am personally getting really sick of the geniuses (genii?) in power telling us what we can't do because we might "offend" someone too. It makes me think of, um, 9/11/01; Fort Hood; Mr. Hotpants terrorist from Somalia...
RE: Jesus Guns bybozemanista6 months ago (6 votes) (report abuse)
Placing this war in a religious context puts American soldiers at greater risk. Why would you be FOR that?
jesus guns bynew yorker16 months ago (7 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
This war IS RELIGIOUS! Why cant YOU see that? Where have you been for the past 30 some-odd years? The terrorists are and have been the same religion. They do and have had the same goal, which is to islamicize the world. Take a look at what's going on in europe some time if you can tear yourself away from NPR long enough.
Jesus guns bycwrite6 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse)
I get it.
Islam wants to be king
of the hill,
every hill.
RE: jesus guns byAlphaBeagle6 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
Let's see a picture of Allah with a gun and a child - maybe with a bomb knapsack on his/her back. Why always pick on Christ and Christians?
training byChicken Dena6 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
The US trains these folks with these scopes. I think that might send the wrong message, if they know about it, that is.
jesus guns bynew yorker16 months ago (9 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Contrary to what "the One" claims, we are a Christian country. So if that is the case, then we are sending the message-ready for this? THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY AND IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT OUR GUNS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. Thats the message I want to send. Enough with the PC already.
RE: jesus guns byindependent6 months ago (6 votes) (report abuse)
replace christian with muslim and you sound an awful lot like bin Laden and Ahmadenijad. Fool.
Make it personal byLiberal Doses6 months ago (8 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
I think military personnel should be allowed to special order a scope with the Christian message which they could pay for out of their own personal funds.

Some people may find comfort from the messages while on the field of battle. I am sure that the manufacturer would be happy to handle special orders. This way we deal with the exceptions rather than the rule. Doing it this way does not infringe upon one's freedoms.

Peace
RE: Fool bynew yorker16 months ago (6 votes) (report abuse)
Oh, that's right. We're not allowed to mention the word, "Christian." Have you all noticed that? I've already seen the reaction to that word at christmas time and in the public school. Every other religion in the universe is acceptable but Christians. Just remember, Mr. NPR, it isnt' the Christians who are chopping peoples' heads off and flying our own planes into buildings full of people.
RE: Make it personal bybelgradepsc6 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse)
Christmas has almost nothing to do with Christ. Respect and Tolerance for others is very Christian.

You, "New York", are an embarrassment to Christianity.
Bible references on rifle sights used in Afghanistan to be removed bygixa6 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
“A defence contractor will voluntarily stop stamping references to Bible verses on combat rifle sights made for the US military.

In a statement released yesterday, Trijicon said that it is also providing free modification kits to remove the references from the telescopic sights already in use.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/arti
Ear of the beholder byLiberal Doses6 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Independent,

Replace progressive anti-religious with either Christian or Muslim and you sound worse.

Peace
RE: Ear of the beholder byindependent6 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
I'm not even remotely a progressive, nor anti-religious. I am however against so called christians who claim to be followers of Jesus but don't even remotely live a life that he would be proud of. I am also against muslims who preach with bombs and guns, which in this case, muslims and christians are nearly identical.
Pretty sad day... byalamator6 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
...when the Jesus you grew up with is now portrayed with a hand gun?

Very disturbing.

Now JC is teaching a child to put a cap in someone's a$$..?

Great message.

I'm not against guns by any means. But that picture crosses the line.

What's next? Ghandi with a bazooka?
RE: Pretty sad day... bynew yorker16 months ago (5 votes) (report abuse)
I'm not talking about a stupid pix. I'm talking about what is taking place in America and in the world as we speak. Progressive = no religion, in my opinion. You don't mind killing your innocent unborn babies but will stage your little protests to save the life of a mass murder who is to be executed. I hear all the righteous indigation on this thread about busting a cap, but where are all you guys when we see the lawlessness in our ghettos and on our streets by people who don't even have LEGAL firearms or the LEGAL RIGHT to even be in this country? This is happening all over the country. Of course, they are all disaffected youth. Heck, why better yourself, go to college and get a good job when you can carry a piece and sell crack on the street corner for $1,000/day. Where are you when the drug cartels are on the border slaughtering innocent Americans, shooting cops sitting in a restaurant, or military recruiters, setting their pants on fire on airplanes with the hope of blowing up yet another bunch of inoccents? Where are you when a moslem extremist MURDERS unarmed soldiers at Ft. Hood. Where were you on 9/11? You hypocrites, sitting in your homes in your purple haze with your zenlike homes and your budda sitting in your living room. You live in your own little worlds...

FInally, read the story in the bible about when Jesus threw out the money changers from the temple. He wasn't exactly turning the other cheek that day. He was pretty torqued, if I remember correctly. You can interpret that any way you want to, but he did not mean for us to throw him and our morals away. Christ died for OUR sins and so that you and your sorry keisters would have a chance at salvation. Of course, he always lets us have free will, unlike the muzzies, who proseletyze at the point of a sword. What takes place on judgement day will be between you and the Lord is not to be known until that day. I only know that we all have one life and then the judgment. No chance at coming back as a bug. If you choose to sell out Christ and the greatest country (christian) that ever existed, then you will reap what you sew. (That's kind of like Karma for those of you from LA). Most of the native Montanans I have known are not secular progressives either and I lived in Bzm for three years. They believed in their God, the Lord Jesus Christ, freedom and in the right to bear arms. But whatever. Believe what you want.
RE: Pretty sad day... byalamator6 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
I'm a baby killin, anti-gun, America-hatin, zen & buddha lovin, Al-Quida supportin,secular progressive hypocrite because I think a painting of Jesus with a hand gun is in poor taste?

Wow...I had no idea.

Thanks for enlightening me. Especially about the part where you lived in Bozeman for 3 years...so NOW you KNOW how most Bozemanites and Montanans are JUST LIKE YOU.!!

Dream on newyorker.

And always remember, my religion, deity and god are the best. Isn't everyone's? That's why wars have been fought for thousands of years...so...I WILL believe what I want and it doesn't include you citing scripture to me.

(to borrow a phrase from LD)

Peace
RE: Pretty sad day... bybelgradepsc6 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse)
Thou shalt not kill.

Interesting that Christian references are put on guns. Satan loves the Christian Right.
bazookas bynew yorker16 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
PS The bazooka sounds like a good idea. AFter all, the al quaeda groups already have them. WHat are you going to do when they start shooting them at you? Have a sit in? Good luck. You should travel to some of the cities around this country. They aren't all like peaceful little Bozeman.
RE: Pretty sad day... byXbzmblustar6 months ago (2 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Newyorker---you say that Muslims proseletize at the point of a sword while defending the right to put bible verses on rifle scopes?

Isn't there something in the bible about beams in the eye?
Trijicon D bybozemantalker6 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
to the New Yacker:
You sound like a real piece of work. You really have nothing better to do than cast snide remarks on the message board of a town you briefly lived in several years ago? That is pretty lame, my friend.

Back on topic tho'...
Glad to see the picture stirred more interest than the topic, which means some of you missed the point entirely. I am not surprise even a little bit. We all knew Trijicon would fold on this because that is a helluva huge contract to lose otherwise. They should have, it was wrong of the gov to pick up that maker in the first place.
new yorker1 bygixa6 months ago (3 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Don't let the xenophobes get you down. Apparently there is an unwritten rule in Montana that people are [oops] must stay in their own towns and may not have any other outside interests.
a little bit of irony bybelgradepsc6 months ago (4 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Kill in Christ's name? How ironic that the Christian Right wing has come to this. How easy they make Satan's work.

new yorker, don't give me your pseudo Christian crap. Go back and read Christ's words, think about them, then start living them.
RE: a little bit of irony byAlphaBeagle6 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
I agree belgradepsc, (although I don't think Christ would expect us not to defend ourselves and our families when pushed to that limit). But this picture is just abominable. "Onward Christian Soldiers" was a song that was about disarming people, not at the point of a gun, but with the word of God, to bring them into the family of God through Love. This picture is very Schizophrenic, in my opinion. Violence and Love become confused. Confusion is a trick of Satan.
RE: a little bit of irony bybelgradepsc6 months ago (1 votes) (report abuse)
Thanks AB, I appreciate we've found something to agree on.

I get pretty irritated when Christ is used as a cover for completely unchristian behavior.
Pretty Sad Day byAlphaBeagle6 months ago (0 votes) (report abuse) (reply)
Alamator - I agree with you. Is this what Jesus would do? Hardly think so.